But Jones also has great distance free prowess and some really good IM times hes just two tenths away from being the top 400 IMer in the class and dropped more than four seconds since our last round of rankings. Maurer also has the best mile in the class, and didnt even get to swim that event in Californias high school season, where he put up a big 500 free drop. (Previous Rank: #10) Yet another guy who has had a meteoric senior rise, Gentry moves from our honorable mentions into our top five. A three-second drop in the 200 free is one thing. For example in 1976, the USA mens dominated as did the DDR women in 1976 & 1980. One thing Ledford really has going for him is long course production: hes been 53.0/2:00.9 in the long course butterflys, which is really impressive. Simons is pretty much a pure backstroker at this point, but hes a very good one. He has dropped those massively, with the biggest surprise probably being that 7.4-second drop in the 200 free. Nolan Dunkel Arlington Aquatic Club Yorktown High School Washington, DC **Verbally committed to NC State** Huffman's view: "Coach Deion Sanders' first class produced CU's highest-rated player in 15 years, the No. Leon Marchand swam a nation-leading time in the 200 free as Arizona State got their 2nd Pac-12 Conference Record of the session on Wednesday evening. Back then, Cal and Texas (sometimes Stanford) had a stranglehold on the top 5 recruits, and the comments section when Chaney signed with Florida was largely about how he must have gone there only because Cal and Texas were out of full rides. Voepel. 1 cornerback in the country: Cormani McClain. 200 back would make a nice third event, though hes also a good butterflyer and breaststroker. The Arizona State 200 medley relay tied Cals Pac-12 record on Wednesday to open the 2023 Pac-12 Swimming & Diving Championships. 1. Matt Marsteiner New Wave Swim Team Leesville Road High School Raleigh, NC **Verbally committed to NC State** Best Times: Marshall is an excellent 200 backstroker with solid 100 back speed to go along with it. Best Times: 400 IM 3:48.84, 200 IM 1:47.23, 200 breast 1:58.17, 100 breast 55.43, 200 back 1:46.56, 100 back 49.74. If you dont see your favorite swimmer on the list, feel free to politely point them out in the comments. If you dont see your favorite swimmer on the list, feel free to politely point them out in the comments. Sandidge dropped 15 seconds off his mile this year, and broke 9:00 for the first time in the 1000. Diehl dropped almost seven seconds in the 200 back from 1:49.4 to 1:41.9 over his sophomore year. Best Times: Kelly is a tick behind Battaglini in nearly all of their shared events, but his calling card is a wider range of event options. Best Times: Heres another fast-dropping sprinter with a lot of relay potential. Rank Player Pos Ht / Wt Rating Team. (One great historical comp is Austin Katz, who was 1:41.4/47.2 as a junior). 200 fly and 200 IM look like his best events for the moment, and it really comes down to whether he zeroes in on butterfly or brings a 200 back or 200 free into the mix. Norris is part of a trio in the 500 (Custer, Cotter, Norris) who are pretty solidly faster than the rest of the class at this point. With that strong of a long course 100, Winkler definitely has the ability to bring his 200-yard free down even further, though hes already among the best in the class now, if you take out Diehls extraordinary time. His 47.3 speed in the 100 back is especially important in this class, without a lot of backstroke competition, and he really carries nice 100 free and 100 fly times along with it. Nolan Dunklel recently committed to Nc State, Bryce Rohr Distance Free (4:35/ 9:21/ 15:30). Lucky is a very good all-around breaststroker, and theres probably an argument to slide him in at #20 instead of Malicki, depending on how much you want to weigh the relay implications of Malickis superior 100 vs Luckys much-better 200. (Its also the reason weve got him ahead of our #15 recruit, who is very comparable in short course, but about a second slower in both long course races). This class has the markings of a Jack Bauerle team versatility and mid-D specialists who are capable of swimming down to the 50/100 for relay purposes. Our team of swimming experts uses the following college swimming recruiting times guidelines to help recruits and parents understand what schools would be a good fit athletically. College football's 2023 recruiting cycle has come to a close with 299 of the recruits in the ESPN 300 signed (Duce Robinson being the lone exception). His power/tempo combination is awesome on the first 25, but it leads to an awkwardly long wall. Michael Mullen Gator Swim Club Homeschooled Jacksonville, FL **Verbally committed to Florida** 17. and get into our rankings. Haughey was mostly a distance freestyler in our last ranks, but a 3.3-second drop down to 1:43.8 in the 200 back probably makes that his best event on paper. 15. Malicki had a great junior year, dropping 1.5 seconds in the 100 breast to push Fan for the top time in the class. Heres a look back at our historic recruiting class rankings, plus our retrospectives of those classes after four NCAA seasons: document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Was just nerding out and noticed the top time in class of 2024 is faster than class of 2023 in 100 free, 200 free, and 400 IM. As with a lot of the TAC Titans on this list, his best events arent readily available on video, but this is a decent 200 back that came very early in swimmings return from the pandemic. Best Times: A year ago, Scholl was a two-distance sprinter who needed to develop his range a little bit. Luke Stibrich Blue Tide Aquatics Summer Creek High School Humble, TX **Verbally committed to Texas** Best Times: 200 back 1:41.68, 100 back 46.86, 400 IM 3:48.49, 200 IM 1:46.66, 200 fly 1:46.62, 100 fly 48.10, 100 breast 55.81. For the purposes of space, we wont include every top event for these athletes, but just a few of their standouts. Ilya Kharun Sandpipers of Nevada Las Vegas, NV **Verbally committed to Arizona State** Your home for results, rankings, data and all things swimming. (McCarty is lane 6, one below Caeleb Dressel). Tan was our #1 overall recruit a year ago, and remains an extremely versatile and impactful talent. Jared I enjoyed your insights and comments. The butterflyers are the exact opposite, with tons of 47-point speed but not a lot of strong 200s to match. WR. Its kind of a perfect storm: boys tend to drop a lot more time in the late high school years than the top girls recruits do. Subscribe to our newsletter and receive our latest updates! The short course season end at a different time for different states. Best Times: Dunkel projects as a classic versatile sprinter who could go after the 100-yard distances and carry a lot of relay value. (Previous Rank: N/A) Now they have the #1 male and female recruits of the class of 2023, and youre going to see it happen a lot more often. 2023 Swim Swam Partners, LLC. Ryan Malicki (Previous Rank: Unranked) Carmel Swim Club Carmel High School Carmel, IN **Verbally committed to Notre Dame** One more massive drop: from 4:22 to 4:15 in the 500 free. Theres not a great third even yet, but hes dropping fast in the 200 back, going from 1:50 as a sophomore to 1:46.5 as a junior, and he also cut three tenths down to 45.8 in the 100 free. In many cases, college coaches will only begin recruiting a student-athlete once she has proved she can swim at the competitive times for the school's conference. The NCAA has gotten so crazy fast in the stroke that even a 53.6/1:57.3 type like Scholtz has a long ways to go to get into NCAA scoring range. His backstroke isnt the smoothest, but Zuchowski has really top-notch arm speed (lane 5, gold cap), and his aggressiveness into his flip turns is a pretty rare trait in a high schooler. 14. Zuchowski is also a very solid IMer and clear versatility in all four strokes. A few more reference points on that 500 free: last year's NCAA winner Paige Madden was 4:43 as a high school sophomore. Disclaimer: there are alotof high school sophomores in the country, and no really good, complete, 100% accurate listing of them all. Heres a look back at our historic recruiting class rankings, plus our retrospectives of those classes after four NCAA seasons: SwimSwam Magazines are big, coming in at nearly a pound per issue. Simons also dropped from 58/2:04 to 55.5/2:00.5 in long course, and his butterfly is improving well, too. Maybe most exciting for Hayon is that hes got one of those butterfly strokes that is so natural and smooth that he can breathe basically every stroke without sacrificing his body-line. 3.) Thats one of the rare time in this class that would have earned an NCAA invite in 2021. Like Tan, Linscheers 3:48 in the 400 IM is just too hard to ignore, even in this IM-heavy class. Hes put a primary focus on long course lately, and its clear why he qualified for Mexicos Olympic team earlier this month while cracking 50 seconds for the first time with a 49.9 in the long course 100 free. 11. Ranking The 2022 Men's NCAA Recruiting Classes: #5-8; Ranking The 2022 Men's NCAA Recruiting Classes: #9-12; Ranking The 2022 Men's NCAA Recruiting Classes: #13-16; Ranking The 2022 Men's . Dont say you werent warned. Jones looks like hes starting to zero in on backstroke as his go-to race after dropping nearly two full seconds in the 100 back over his junior year. Paring the list down to 20 always feels like pulling teeth. Hes also great through the relya-distance freestyles, including a 100 free that is just tenths behind the best in the class. You could argue that Sandidge is underrated here after all, he does have an NCAA invite time in the 1650 free, one of only six swimmers in the class (Nelson, Zuchowski, Custer, Gentry, Norris, Sandidge) with an invite time. Do better! Best Times: Barnett has a really great 400 IM in most classes, it feels like a 3:47.3 would crack the top 20. Northern California (East Bay Area) has one of, if not THE largest and most competitive summer league systems in the country.Read more . This isnt an exhaustive list of others we considered, but the top few left off the list who made the decisions on 18-20verydifficult. Right now, it can cause some awkward long or short walls, but that can be cleaned up with time and experience. 50 free: 19.99. If you dont see your favorite swimmer on the list, feel free to politely point them out in the comments. Its that time of year again when we at SwimSwam rank out the top 20 high school swimming prospects in the upcoming NCAA recruiting class. The 400 IM is the really exciting one: hes got lot of room to grow from his 3:56, especially with a 4:31 on record in the long course pool. Were going with Kharun at #3 for a few reasons. Best Times: 100 breast 53.45, 200 breast 1:59.03. Best Times:200 back 1:43.86,1650 free 15:18.49, 1000 free 9:05.39, 500 free 4:25.76, 200 free 1:39.01, 400 IM 3:51.61. But Buffs sprint fly and back speed (45.4 fly/45.8 back) match up extremely well with Hoffers (45.4 fly / 45.5 back as a junior). With that out of the way, lets get to our rankings. 7. Branons 200 fly is among the best in the class, and sits only about half a second off of 2021 NCAA invite level. Dont go to B1G Nate or any other breaststrokers. Lucca Battaglini East Carolina Aquatics Durham School of the Arts Durham, NC **Verbally committed to Cal** But he could also stay on the sprint train and bring his 50 free (and potentially 50 back) around for even more NCAA relay opportunities. Obviously, Buff doesnt have Hoffers unprecedented sprint free speed (19.0/41.2 as a high school junior). Originally published 9/13. He sticks right in with a field of outstanding breaststrokers there, and generates a lot of pulling power. Hes a half-second behind Modglin for the best 200 IM in the class, but that probably looks like his best bet as an NCAA prospect. If you made me pick the top overall breaststroker in the class right now, Id probably have four names virtually tied with no great way to pick one. This video comes from a then-lifetime-best 50.0 Cabrera swam two weeks earlier. 4. Heres his 200 fly from the same meet (lane 4, white cap). But when Sandidge decides to make his move (about 900 yards in and about 8:30 in this video), the second gear is clearly visible and very impressive. Toby Barnett Rockville Montgomery Swim Club Rockville High School Bethesda, MD**Verbally committed to Indiana** This group is also a bit thin in distance freestyle and in breaststroke, though weve got a few really solid talents near the top. Our goal in these rankings is to reflect what college coaches look for in recruits, based on many years of conversations and coverage. Lucky is also dropping very fast, from 56.2/2:01.1 as of last year. Ryan Branon (Previous Rank: Honorable Mention) North Baltimore Aquatic Club Loyola Blakefield High School Lutherville-Timonium, MD **Verbally committed to Texas** Nelson is clearly taking over as the top swimmer in the class, now leading all 2022 grads in the 200 IM, 400 IM, and even 200 breast. He reminds me a bit of a souped-up version of River Wright, another former top prospect who was really good across the 100s of all four strokes. Alec Filipovic (Previous Rank: #6) St. Charles Swim Team Saint Charles North High School St. Charles, IL**Verbally committed to Texas** Haughey (lane 5, fourth from the bottom) is pretty arm-driven, but without a lot of tempo. But thats an argument for a different day.). . In fact, hes already just a tick off of Olympic Trials cuts in both breaststrokes with times of 1:02.6 and 2:16.4. (Previous Rank: HM) (Previous Rank: #5) Most swimmers have a great event or two that stand out from the rest of their times, and we see a lot of shuffling in the ranks as swimmers start to develop a more well-rounded portfolio through their junior and senior years. NCSA analyzed over 500 four-year colleges with men's college swimming programs across four division levels (D1, D2, D3 and NAIA) to develop a list of the Best Men's Swimming Colleges for Student-Athletes. 20. Last time Florida had a top recruit, it was Maxime back in 2016 and before that, Dressel in 2014. Jared Anderson swam for nearly twenty years. Do you consider that in the ranking when looking at the best time? Nick Mahabir Coronado Swim Association Team Elite San Diego, CA **Verbally committed to Cal** 2023 Recruit Basketball Team Rankings. Daniel Li Rose Bowl Aquatics San Marino High School San Marino, CA You know the rankings are brutal when youre splitting hairs over which 47-second flyers and backstrokers to leave out of the top 20 and there are alotof guys with those times not in our top 20 rankings. Filipovic moves down our ranks mostly because of the huge time drops among the guys above him, not because of any worries about his improvement curve. But his IMs have improved enough, too (1:49.2/3:54 to 1:47.5/3:50) to make his lineup choices a little more interesting. Official psych sheets, eligible relays and a list of alternates have been confirmed by the NCAA two weeks out from the womens championship meet in Knoxville. 18. Each of these athletes is still an extremely high-level recruit: Feeling nostalgic? Race videos of Nelsons best times are hard to come by, but this long course 400 IM (lane 1 at the top) from early 2020 does show all four of his strokes. Recent recruiting classes suffered through some extremely reduced practice hours for 15+ months due to pandemic restrictions. He is currently in his room crying about this and frankly so am I. (Previous Rank: #19) Disclaimer: there are alotof high school seniors in the country, and no really good, complete, 100% accurate listing of them all. 4. Combine him with the No . If you weigh any of those three things differently and want him in your own personal top 20, I wouldnt take any issue with it. Feb 2, 2022. Best Times: It feels like we might see Winkler and Diehl battling for three years over who is the best pure sprint freestyler in the class. Getting under 4:20 in the 500 free is a great step as a high school junior, and Taylor dropped three seconds there since last year. But for now, this group holds the best 50, 100, and 200 free times weve ever ranked among sophomore classes, going back to the class of 2020. Ready for another huge drop? 11. Joyce is our first true sprinter on the list. According to the updated rankings from 247 Sports on the morning after the first day of the early signing period, Penn State has the No. Marsteiner doesnt have a ton of speed yet, but as we noted above, 500 free times are usually a little misleading when youre looking at high school prospects we see big drops there in late high school and early college, and there arent that many high school sophomores better than 4:25. We don't yet know who, and we don't yet know when the public announcement will come, but the University of Kentucky says that they have received a verbal commitment . 15:10 is only about 15 seconds from what it took to earn an NCAA invite this year, and milers can definitely drop time in big chunks. Best Men's Swimming Schools. He doesnt have much in the way of versatility yet, though. 2023. Zou is a solid long course swimmer with breaststroke times of 1:03.8 and 2:17.1. Heres a 200 free (lane 4, fifth lane from the top) where Sergile really shows off some nice flip turns and carries his speed really well through breakouts. Heres a look at his big drop in the 100 fly from just a few months ago (lane 5, right in the middle, dark cap). A list of the top 2023 Football teams in order of recruiting rankings solely based off of the On3 Consensus He goes a 17.61 in the 50 and a 39.89 in the 100 and hes a great student, a boy scout, and improving rapidly. Still, the 50 free and 100 free by themselves can provide up to six total events at the NCAA level, so Joyce should carry plenty of recruiting value. 10. Maybe his best college-level comp is someone like Sean Grieshop, a great 400 IM/500 free combo swimmer who could swim up to the mile or across to a stroke 200 if needed. Theres a lot of good IM depth and more two-distance IMers than we usually see at this age. McCarty has great arm tempo and a good flutter kick, and hangs with an awfully good field of sprinters. Custer dropped nearly a full minute you read that right in the 1650 free, from 15:36 as a sophomore to 14:37 as a junior. He doesnt need a third event to justify this ranking, but 20.8 speed in the 50 is interesting, as is a 1:48.3 in the 200 IM. Both races could probably use some polishing on wall timing at the next level, but thats the kind of detail Branon can definitely hone as a college swimmer. He still projects best as a 100 fly/100 free type, but cutting more than 12 seconds in the 200 fly as a junior suggests Hayon could continue to develop into a true two-distance butterflyer. Heres a 200 free (lane 4, fifth lane from the top) where Sergile really shows off some nice flip turns and carries his speed really well through breakouts. This is essentially a re-rank of that class, taking into account a year of improvements. Shortly after breaking into the top 10, the Crimson . But he hasnt quite developed a third event around those two. Not much underwater kicking and up past the flags quick. This video comes from a then-lifetime-best 50.0 Cabrera swam two weeks earlier. Plenty of these swimmers missed potential taper meets amid the coronavirus pandemic, and its difficult to determine whose times have stagnated and which swimmers merely havent had enough chances to rest up and race in the past year. Filipovic did make marginal 50/100 free drops this year, and his long course times had good drops from 24.1/52.6 to 23.1/51.5. Hes on the cusp of breaking 9:00 in the 1000, which is another key barrier. One year ago, he wasnt even close to the top 20 with freestyle times of 20.8/47.4/1:44.1. Norris has long arms, an efficient catch, and a really susprisingly-good flutter kick for a race this long. Jan 27-28, 2023. 2. Best Times: Now the list swings back a little bit towards versatility with Maldari, a great backstroker/IMer out of North Carolina. Division 2 swimming minimum times usually match up with the Speedo Sectional cuts. And as honorable mentions go, a fast-rising 400 IMer is an awfully good value. 10. Part of the Nord Anglia Education family, the British International School Ho Chi Minh City (BIS HCMC) is the leading school in Vietnam. Backstroke is strong at the top, but equally thin as you move down the ranks. It's pretty rare . Jeremy Kelly Nitro Swimming Georgetown High School Georgetown, TX **Verbally committed to Texas** In this 200 fly from the same meet (lane 4, fifth from the top), his aggressive open turns really pop. You could argue that hes the best all-around IMer in the class over Lucas, sitting about a second faster in the 200 and a second slower in the 400. But in this swim (lane 5, black cap), you can see some good power out of his kick and nice hand drive at the top of his stroke. His backstroke times are reminiscent of someone like Destin Lasco, who was 45.9/1:41.7 as a high school junior before really breaking out at the college level. Best Times: 100 breast 53.36, 200 breast 1:56.99, 200 IM 1:47.76, 400 IM 3:57.15, 200 back 1:45.44. 200 fly from the same meet (lane 4, fifth from the top), his aggressive open turns really pop. The highlight is probably the seven-second drop in the 200 fly to lead the class. Within this class, butterfly might be a nice niche for Hitchcock, too, as hes within a second of the best time in the class in both fly races. Marcus Papanikolaou Unattached Central Bucks East High School Doylestown, PA Its pretty rare to find a 45-second backstroker with 47-second fly speed and 43-second freestyle talent combined with a 54.0 in the 100 breast. 2022 Football Class Rankings 2022 2021 2020 2019 2018 2017 2016 2015 2014 2013 2012 2011 2010 2009 2008 . Theres a chance that we disagree with your assessment of their spot in the top 20, and so long as its done civilly, theres no problem with differences of opinions. Best Times: 200 back 1:42.39, 100 back 47.07, 200 free 1:37.76. 3. Best Times: 200 free 1:35.13, 200 fly 1:44.05, 200 IM 1:47.71, 400 IM 3:49.25, 100 fly 48.35, 200 back 1:46.98, 100 free 44.31, 500 free 4:23.30, 1650 free 15:32.55. That might suggest more distance drops are coming. Whats interesting is that Sergile is really good at one element that his top two races (200 fly/200 free)donthave in common: hes got outstanding turns, both flip turns and open turns. Speedo Rankings; Records; Swimmer Bios; Meet Listing; Swim Jobs; . 8. Itll just take more experience to really blend those two things and when he does, Filipovic is going well under 47. The drops have been outstanding: from 1:46.0 to 1:43.0 in the 200 fly, from 48.4 to 46.4 in the 100 fly, and from 1:49.4 to 1:46.7 in the 200 IM. The great Katie Ledecky was 4:31.3 as . 0.8955. Hes got a good 200 free, too, and could have some crossover into the 800 free relay like guys like Austin Katz or Bryce Mefford have in the past. 2. 4. This is only the fourth class since we started ranking sophomore groups, but this class of 2023 shows the biggest jump weve seen a class make from sophomore to junior ranks as a whole, boys or girls. **The 1000 free isnt an event at the Division I NCAA Championships, but is swum instead of the 1650 in many Division I dual meets and is part of the NCAA program in Division II. Terms of Use & Privacy Policy | FTC Disclaimer Buff went 45.40 and Hofer was a 45.46. Theres a chance that we disagree with your assessment of their spot in the top 20, and so long as its done civilly, theres no problem with differences of opinions. We get a good angle on his explosive start, and you get a good sense of Joyces power, even as he works to clean up his breakout a little. Best Times: If youre looking for a pure sprint butterflyer, Swearingen is the guy you want. Class rank: NationalNo. It also organizes the athletic programs of colleges and universities in the United States and Canada and helps over 500,000 college student athletes who compete annually in college sports. Kellys 20.0/44.0 speed will make him a great NCAA relay prospect, and he brings just a little more 200 free endurance to the mix compared to the sprintier Battaglini. **The 1000 free isnt an event at the Division I NCAA Championships, but is swum instead of the 1650 in many Division I dual meets and is part of the NCAA program in Division II. Paring the list down to 20 always feels like pulling teeth. 5. Maybe thats the impact of the pandemic (and limited competition opportunities), and well see secondary and tertiary events rise more as these guys become seniors. Best Times: Thats asuperinteresting portfolio of times for Jones, who is very much a jack-of-all-trades within the sprints. 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